User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-07-08

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Jul 08 00:01:03 <ChrisGualtieri>	I hate having to read "History of anime" and facepalm at all the false and incorrect material in it :/
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Jul 08 00:01:18 <ChrisGualtieri>	I wish that the wikiproject would respond before I start changing history around
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Jul 08 00:05:53 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Swob it has British soil as well
Jul 08 00:06:10 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	and the Greek Cypriots are banning all non greek on the island
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Jul 08 00:06:44 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Because if you have ecconomic issues, first thing you should do is replace all signs in the country.
Jul 08 00:07:16 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	ChrisGualtieri you cant change history! :p
Jul 08 00:07:42 <ChrisGualtieri>	Honestly, when its wrong, its wrong :/
Jul 08 00:08:27 <ChrisGualtieri>	I've been working on a few lists... and a few hundred other articles
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Jul 08 00:09:17 <Swob>	i remember someone was arrested for speaking Greek in North Cyprus a few years ago
Jul 08 00:09:21 <Swob>	but English is allowed
Jul 08 00:10:06 <ChrisGualtieri>	gahahaha... I found the name of it!
Jul 08 00:10:16 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Swob I wouldn't know about that. There are people on Greek parliment that want to rid the island of anyone who isn't greek
Jul 08 00:10:23 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	British and all Turkish included
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Jul 08 00:10:51 <ChrisGualtieri>	Japan made an early anime depicting a battle against micky mouse XD
Jul 08 00:11:12 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	ChrisGualtieri lets be honest here, Mickey Mouse was an anime probably :p
Jul 08 00:11:25 <Slopabottomus>	yay
Jul 08 00:11:28 <Slopabottomus>	i got good news today!
Jul 08 00:11:39 <ChrisGualtieri>	Can't be
Jul 08 00:11:48 <ChrisGualtieri>	Anime is "Japanese animation"
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Jul 08 00:12:05 <Slopabottomus>	My aunt is OK, she was somewhere else from the Lac Megantic explosion
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Jul 08 00:13:24 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	ChrisGualtieri how do you know Walt Disney wasnt Japanese?
Jul 08 00:13:30 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	:p
Jul 08 00:13:42 <Swob>	warutu jijinii
Jul 08 00:14:14 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Moe_Epsilon: http://www.s-peterson.com/index.php#a=0&at=0&mi=2&pt=1&pi=10000&s=0&p=3
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Jul 08 00:14:26 <Powerorange>	Je vois
Jul 08 00:14:27 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	to give you an idea of the protests themselves
Jul 08 00:14:58 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Swob Cyprus would rahter stay in complete darkness than pay for power from the north
Jul 08 00:15:03 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	some cypriots anyways
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Jul 08 00:16:14 <ChrisGualtieri>	Oh god this is just sad >.>; Not even Newtype magazine can get its own damn history down
Jul 08 00:16:52 *	Slopabottomus likes today's google doodle
Jul 08 00:17:27 <Swob>	66th anniversary of the Roswell UFO incident's reporting
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Jul 08 00:25:21 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Swob I am hoping 69th aniversary will have reneactments of alien sex :p
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Jul 08 00:31:38 <Slopabottomus>	any wikimedia staffer
Jul 08 00:35:57 <GorillaWarfare>	Slopabottomus: What do you need?
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Jul 08 00:51:58 <Swob>	microsoft search doesnt seem to always work
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Jul 08 00:57:21 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Swob it always works, it always fails to find what you are looking for.
Jul 08 00:57:36 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Isnt that what search is for?
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Jul 08 01:11:51 <Moxy>	looking for an admin to help with user rights pls see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Newfoundlander%26Labradorian#Moxy_requesting_rollback_and_reviewer_user_rights_for_this_user
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Jul 08 01:14:09 <lazyktm>	Moxy: That's really not how it works. They'd need to request the rights themselves.
Jul 08 01:14:44 <Swob>	you can do third party requests on RFP/P
Jul 08 01:14:48 <Swob>	*RFP
Jul 08 01:15:53 <lazyktm>	I guess. I really wouldn't give someone the rights unless they said it was ok
Jul 08 01:18:07 <Moxy>	I dont think they know about it. The reason i am asking is they have in the past asked me to help with these 2 points. The user can be trusted - I have also seen many users given these rights withourt asking.
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Jul 08 01:23:32 <Swob>	google is vandalizing us again
Jul 08 01:23:52 <IDoH>	Swob: How so?
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Jul 08 01:26:21 <Moe_Epsilon>	omnomnom vodka
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Jul 08 01:31:49 <Swob>	oh it was preemptive
Jul 08 01:31:50 <Swob>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roswell_UFO_incident#Google_Doodle_Link
Jul 08 01:31:59 <Swob>	no vandalism, we just protected it anyway
Jul 08 01:32:18 <Swob>	but it was protected to begin with
Jul 08 01:32:24 <Swob>	so there probably would be vandalism if it werent
Jul 08 01:33:08 <BlastHardcheese>	I'm not saying the vandals were aliens
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Jul 08 01:35:39 *	Dusti is now known as TheNSA
Jul 08 01:35:50 <TheNSA>	There is no such thing as aliens
Jul 08 01:36:01 <TheNSA>	We hereby deny any knowledge of "Aliens"
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Jul 08 01:37:33 <TheChance>	Yes there is. It wasn't as good as the first one, though. Needs more Sigourney Weaver.
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Jul 08 01:39:30 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	TheNSA there are plenty of aliens in the US
Jul 08 01:39:36 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	they are there illegally or legally
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Jul 08 01:41:01 <Dusti>	XD
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Jul 08 02:10:08 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	How are canadians missing in that train accident?
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Jul 08 02:43:09 <PontoCom>	Bye, Peeplu.
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Jul 08 04:15:01 <petan>	dammit I think that google adsense will not make me rich given the adblock plus usage :(
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Jul 08 04:28:59 <addshore>	petan: >  if Wikipedia were a country, there would have been a military coup by now, fueled by the cheers of the citizens starving for leadership of any kind
Jul 08 04:29:19 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	petan I made a total of 1.2$ in 4 years from adsense
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Jul 08 04:29:30 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	trust me adsense will never make you rich
Jul 08 04:30:04 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	addshore wikipedia wouldnt have a coup
Jul 08 04:30:26 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	clearly we would discuss the name of the revolution to death forgetting the very act of coup
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Jul 08 04:31:17 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	Wikipedia, we forget whats important so you dont have to!
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Jul 08 06:37:41 <Bradford>	hi
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Jul 08 07:04:28 <jubo2>	Hi Bradford
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Jul 08 07:18:43 <LtNOWIS-mobile>	Today I learned the screenwriter for Batman & Robin won an Oscar.
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Jul 08 08:43:01 <Prabash_A>	Is there a place to report talk page vandalism?
Jul 08 08:44:19 <WilliamH_UK>	any vandalism can be reported at WP:AIV
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Jul 08 09:47:01 <Prabash_A>	Hello
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Jul 08 10:41:23 <SoapX>	it looks like Ive lost a few pounds
Jul 08 10:42:36 <juliancolton>	sterling is quite easy to misplace
Jul 08 10:43:03 <SoapX>	oh, I meant dog pounds
Jul 08 10:43:15 <SoapX>	there's a few hundred strays running around the neighborhood now
Jul 08 10:43:24 <SoapX>	Im sure itll be fine though
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Jul 08 10:48:01 <juliancolton>	well, this is the first time I've been reminded of that "who let the dogs out" song in several years
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Jul 08 11:03:20 <ToAruShiroiNeko>	governor of Istanbul is a cock tease clearly.
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Jul 08 11:43:26 <BobTheWikipedian>	guten morgen y'all
Jul 08 11:43:54 <Qcoder00>	Hello bob
Jul 08 11:44:05 <TheDruId>	Anyeong hashimnika.
Jul 08 11:44:22 <BobTheWikipedian>	i need a grammar nazi
Jul 08 11:44:42 <TheDruId>	Oo! Oo! Ed Gruberman.
Jul 08 11:44:46 <BobTheWikipedian>	:o gah i just made a racial slur
Jul 08 11:44:50 <BobTheWikipedian>	unintentional
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Jul 08 11:45:14 <TheDruId>	Even I don't play drums near my people.
Jul 08 11:45:39 <BobTheWikipedian>	any grammar nazis here?
Jul 08 11:45:55 <TheDruId>	o/////////////////////////////
Jul 08 11:46:35 <BobTheWikipedian>	"...shows that the incorruption of the Saints bodies is a phenomenon still unexplained..."
Jul 08 11:46:38 <BobTheWikipedian>	or yet?
Jul 08 11:47:10 <SoapX>	hi Bonb
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Jul 08 11:47:13 <SoapX>	*bob
Jul 08 11:47:25 <TheDruId>	Saints' bodies
Jul 08 11:47:28 <SoapX>	yeah
Jul 08 11:47:31 <SoapX>	thats the only problem I see
Jul 08 11:47:36 <BobTheWikipedian>	:o i better fix that, too lol
Jul 08 11:47:38 <SoapX>	still vs yet is your chocie
Jul 08 11:47:40 <SoapX>	*choice
Jul 08 11:47:55 <BobTheWikipedian>	working on a webfront
Jul 08 11:48:10 <BobTheWikipedian>	copy/paste doesn't always work
Jul 08 11:49:02 <TheDruId>	BobTheWikipedian, match the source, or find the template 'as of 2013'
Jul 08 11:49:15 <BobTheWikipedian>	the source's text is too long
Jul 08 11:49:41 <BobTheWikipedian>	"After explaining both natural and artificial mummification, the author shows that the incorruption of the Saints bodies fits into neither category but constitutes a much greater phenomenon which is unexplained by modern science even to this day."
Jul 08 11:49:43 <BobTheWikipedian>	won't fit
Jul 08 11:49:48 <TheDruId>	BobTheWikipedian, I meant just for the still/yet option.
Jul 08 11:50:01 <BobTheWikipedian>	see, they didn't use either
Jul 08 11:50:10 <BobTheWikipedian>	they used "even to this day"
Jul 08 11:50:13 <BobTheWikipedian>	but that won't fit
Jul 08 11:50:32 <TheDruId>	BobTheWikipedian, even (until year of source).
Jul 08 11:51:25 <BobTheWikipedian>	i am including the full title, author, abbreviated publisher, year, and a summary of the book in a space smaller than a tweet :P
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Jul 08 11:52:39 <BobTheWikipedian>	and lol.... "even until 2009" doesn't quite mean the same thing
Jul 08 11:53:02 <BobTheWikipedian>	perhaps "as of 2009, it constitutes..."
Jul 08 11:53:53 <BobTheWikipedian>	yuck.
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Jul 08 11:54:50 <BobTheWikipedian>	:o "abridgment"...is a word?
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Jul 08 11:56:43 <TheDruId>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abridgement
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Jul 08 11:58:18 <BobTheWikipedian>	ooo cool. "...St Joseph ate meat, but Our Lord and Our Lady seldom did." random useless trivia...
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Jul 08 12:09:17 <TBloemink>	silly irccloud
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Jul 08 12:09:51 <wctaiwan>	and they want to charge people :p
Jul 08 12:10:07 <WilliamH_UK>	yeah good luck with that
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Jul 08 12:11:50 <TeeTylerToe>	Is this good enough to move over?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TeeTylerToe/sandbox11
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Jul 08 12:12:44 <TheDruId>	TeeTylerToe, top selling would need an independent source.
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Jul 08 12:14:14 <nikhs>	agreed... if all you have is press release sources, you should get more, in general
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Jul 08 12:16:53 <TeeTylerToe>	It could be the worst selling model in the world not having sold a single car, and you could say it's "top selling"
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Jul 08 12:19:53 <halfak|UMN>	#wikipedia-teahouse
Jul 08 12:20:08 <halfak|UMN>	^^ disregard
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Jul 08 12:21:11 <TheDruId>	TeeTylerToe, but without an independent reference, it doesn't belong.
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Jul 08 12:24:08 <nikhs>	http://autocade.net/index.php/Toyota_Corolla_(E160) and http://5reasonreviews.com/2012/12/07/toyota-corolla-e160-11th-generation-2013-review/ are independent but painfully short
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Jul 08 12:24:52 <nikhs>	I get the feeling that it is so similar to previous Corollas that there just isn't much to say
Jul 08 12:27:26 <TeeTylerToe>	sae had a decent article...  regurgitating the press releases in about the same way I did for this article
Jul 08 12:28:24 <TeeTylerToe>	it's a bit bigger, most of the dynamics, the moving parts are the same.  There was a push for fuel efficiency, and the styling was changed a bit more dramatically than usual from what I can tell
Jul 08 12:28:39 <TeeTylerToe>	A lot of the style queues were taken from the Furia concept car
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Jul 08 12:30:36 <TeeTylerToe>	there's a redirect on Toyota Corolla (E160) to the article on Toyota Corolla.  Do I do a page move request?
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Jul 08 12:30:45 <TeeTylerToe>	Do I invade poland?
Jul 08 12:30:56 <TeeTylerToe>	lichetenstein?
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Jul 08 12:31:22 <nikhs>	if you put a little independent critiquing in the intro, I doubt anyone will complain. It's an established mass market car, not a person.... Just overwrite the #redirect
Jul 08 12:31:38 <SoapX>	a pagemove wouldnt solve anything
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Jul 08 12:34:22 <TeeTylerToe>	I deleted the redirect, but I still can't move it, and the instructions say not to copy paste
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Jul 08 12:35:44 <SoapX>	i dont see why youd want to
Jul 08 12:36:42 <SoapX>	bbl
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Jul 08 12:37:25 <TeeTylerToe>	?
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Jul 08 12:38:59 <nikhs>	if you're the only one who worked on the draft, pasting is fine
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Jul 08 12:39:50 <nikhs>	not copy/pasting is only important to preserve authorship attribution
Jul 08 12:40:13 <TeeTylerToe>	Can I use {{db-r2}}?
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Jul 08 14:00:27 <Keegan>	Do any of you cats edit the Hebrew Wikipedia, by chance?
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Jul 08 14:04:07 <Qcoder00>	Keegan: Try asking KimiNewt if he's around
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Jul 08 14:04:48 <Keegan>	Thank you for the tip, Qcoder00
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Jul 08 15:00:03 <TeeTylerToe>	is db-r2 the right csd to delete a redirect?  I'm trying to replace it with an article
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Jul 08 15:09:51 <BlastHardcheese>	It's not speediable if it's a redirect to an existing article. But unless it's protected you can just edit the page. You don't need permission to replace a redirect with an article.
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Jul 08 15:13:33 <TeeTylerToe>	Well I'd like to get the redirect deleted
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Jul 08 15:15:55 <TeeTylerToe>	prod can't be used for deletions and it would take 7 days anyway
Jul 08 15:16:02 <TeeTylerToe>	for redirect deletions
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Jul 08 15:24:30 <TeeTylerToe>	how do I link to my sandbox with a wikilink rather than a url?
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Jul 08 15:27:40 <Lollipop>	juts use the page title
Jul 08 15:27:52 <Lollipop>	[[user:TeeTylerToe/Sandbox]] or whatever
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Jul 08 15:28:05 <dtm>	TeeTylerToe: just take the stuff off the front.  [[User:TeeTylerToe/sandbox]]
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Jul 08 16:39:23 <jubo2>	There was this problem apparently with installs running on top of a hypervisor that was tricky
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Jul 08 16:46:45 <TeeTylerToe>	the personal webpage thing?
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Jul 08 17:40:11 <TeeTylerToe>	I really want to believe that that that's a chinese clone of a russian watch with a japanese movement
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Jul 08 18:21:01 <TeeTylerToe>	Cute, someone's going around reverting reference adds and then adding citation needed tags where they've removed the references
Jul 08 18:21:49 <Sky2042>	TeeTylerToe: Where references are bad (=unreliable), that's not an incorrect thing to do, I suppose.
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Jul 08 18:24:20 <Bradford>	silence uhh
Jul 08 18:27:02 <TeeTylerToe>	This wasn't the new york times, not that the NYT has a spotless "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", but it was about as reliable as you can ask for
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Jul 08 18:27:55 <Sky2042>	TeeTylerToe: Which really means it was unreliable, because you still haven't given us the name of the publication/whatnot for judgement. :^)
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Jul 08 18:29:02 <TeeTylerToe>	people.timezone.com/library/cjrml/cjrml631728462093125000
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Jul 08 18:41:53 <TeeTylerToe>	is there some tag to question the reliability of a reference?
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Jul 08 18:42:42 <Sky2042>	TeeTylerToe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dubious ?
Jul 08 18:42:56 <TeeTylerToe>	thanks
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Jul 08 18:46:07 <jertarz>	The English article on "Rösti" claims it's a Swiss dish, but the Swedish version claims it's from Finland.
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Jul 08 18:46:18 <jertarz>	Considering the name, I would very much suspect that the latter is correct.
Jul 08 18:46:27 <jertarz>	Finland isn't even mentioned in the English version.
Jul 08 18:47:19 <TeeTylerToe>	google's bringing up a lot of swiss results
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Jul 08 18:47:28 <WilliamH_UK>	it's a Swiss dish
Jul 08 18:48:02 <jertarz>	Sure as hell doesn't sound Swiss.
Jul 08 18:48:25 <TeeTylerToe>	Rösti, originally the typical farmers’ breakfast in German-speaking Switzerland
Jul 08 18:48:37 <TeeTylerToe>	switzerland has something like 4 different languages
Jul 08 18:49:57 <TeeTylerToe>	french, german, some mixed language (romanche?), and...  italian?
Jul 08 18:50:16 <TeeTylerToe>	with ethnic areas corresponding to each
Jul 08 18:51:13 <WilliamH_UK>	latin
Jul 08 18:52:25 <Pharos>	the whole concept of a Swiss cuisine is dubious
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Jul 08 18:53:08 <TeeTylerToe>	for crying out loud, the guy's challenging the reference
Jul 08 18:53:11 <Sky2042>	Pharos: lol
Jul 08 18:53:34 <Pharos>	it is also possible there is more than one dish called "Rosti"
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Jul 08 18:58:43 <Bradford>	jorgeluis: hi
Jul 08 18:58:47 <jorgeluis>	Hello Wikipedians.
Jul 08 18:58:52 <jorgeluis>	hi Bradford
Jul 08 18:59:08 <Bradford>	:)
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Jul 08 19:16:52 <GabrielF>	apparently Bob Dylan likes to read Wikipedia: "Although most of Dylan's monologues are scripted - keen-eared listeners can hear him turning pages and members of various Dylan Web forums have pointed out the similarities between his stories and Wikipedia entries on the same subject"
Jul 08 19:17:07 <TeeTylerToe>	0.o
Jul 08 19:17:18 <GabrielF>	from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Time_Radio_Hour_Season_One
Jul 08 19:19:01 <TeeTylerToe>	some editor wants me to defend the author of http://people.timezone.com/library/cjrml/cjrml631728462093125000 because they don't think it's reliable enough.  Does this guy really think that a book has to be fact checked before it's published?  Look at the Osama tell alls
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Jul 08 19:24:51 <Pharos>	GabrielF: not surprised :P
Jul 08 19:28:21 <GabrielF>	According to Jimmy Wales, Jimmy Carter does most of his research on Wikipedia, but Dylan is far more impressive
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Jul 08 19:38:23 <TeeTylerToe>	According to Jimmy Buffet you can check in...  but...  I forget
Jul 08 19:38:34 <TeeTylerToe>	you can never leave?
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Jul 08 19:38:40 <TeeTylerToe>	you can check out?
Jul 08 19:39:19 <jorgeluis>	is TeeTylerToe related to tiptoety?
Jul 08 19:39:30 <jorgeluis>	because that's what my mind jumps to each time i read the name
Jul 08 19:39:48 *	Tiptoety hugs jorgeluis
Jul 08 19:39:48 <TeeTylerToe>	Nope, is tiptoety a user?
Jul 08 19:40:09 <Tiptoety>	It makes me warm and fuzzy inside to know that you are thinking of me, Killiondude.
Jul 08 19:40:27 <jorgeluis>	That could also be early signs of menopause.
Jul 08 19:40:32 <jorgeluis>	Please see a doctor.
Jul 08 19:41:36 <jorgeluis>	(<3)
Jul 08 19:41:48 <jorgeluis>	TeeTylerToe: You've never heard of /the/ Tiptoety™?
Jul 08 19:43:16 <TeeTylerToe>	I don't think so, but I have a terrible memory
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Jul 08 19:43:58 <jorgeluis>	i think he's a functionary on enwiki and almost has +demigod rights.
Jul 08 19:45:31 *	TeeTylerToe does his best paranoid android "sounds dreadful"
Jul 08 19:45:52 <TeeTylerToe>	not paranoid, what was marvin, depressed?
Jul 08 19:48:59 <a930913>	To make an editnotice, it's just {{page}}/editnotice, right?
Jul 08 19:49:14 <jorgeluis>	no
Jul 08 19:49:36 <jorgeluis>	Template:Editnotices/Page/
Jul 08 19:50:48 <a930913>	Is /editnotice a legacy then?
Jul 08 19:51:05 <a930913>	Because that's how it looks my talk is set up.
Jul 08 19:51:55 <jorgeluis>	that is for userspace
Jul 08 19:51:58 <jorgeluis>	it looks like.
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Jul 08 19:52:11 <jorgeluis>	articles use a different format
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Jul 08 19:53:16 <a930913>	Ah.
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Jul 08 20:03:36 <a930913>	Right, need an admin to test my theory :)
Jul 08 20:03:47 <a930913>	(Don't all rush at once.)
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Jul 08 20:07:19 <a930913>	Swob: I need an admin meatpuppet :)
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Jul 08 20:17:44 <Swob>	hi a930913, hows [[bracketbot?
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Jul 08 20:20:33 <a930913>	Swob: Complaints have slightly fallen :)
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Jul 08 20:22:03 <a930913>	Swob: Can you move [[User:A930913/sandbox/Editnotice]] to [[Template:Editnotices/Page/User:A930913/sandbox]] please? :)
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Jul 08 20:22:31 <a930913>	I want to test something I'm making for the request on VPT.
Jul 08 20:23:10 <LtNOWIS>	"Contemporary critics universally commended the music video for its themes and production values."
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Jul 08 20:27:18 <a930913>	Swob: Prod?
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Jul 08 20:29:26 <Swob>	hi
Jul 08 20:30:08 <a930913>	Swob: Pwetty pwease?
Jul 08 20:30:14 <Swob>	dne
Jul 08 20:30:15 <Swob>	*done
Jul 08 20:30:30 <Swob>	sorry it's pretty hard to get my attention
Jul 08 20:30:43 <Swob>	only "soap" pings me and Im usually doing something else anyway
Jul 08 20:30:57 <Swob>	i wasnt ignoring you on prupose
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Jul 08 20:32:00 <a930913>	Swob: Noted. I'm also terrible for getting attention :(
Jul 08 20:32:04 <a930913>	Swob: Ta btw.
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Jul 08 20:37:10 <a930913>	Aw, I thought I was onto something there :(
Jul 08 20:37:23 <Swob>	mm
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Jul 08 20:41:32 <Swob>	oh youre working on the Visual Editor
Jul 08 20:41:39 <Swob>	have fun
Jul 08 20:42:16 <Swob>	you should be an admin
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Jul 08 20:42:51 <a930913>	Swob: soap: No, I was trying to differentiate between ve and source for editnotices.
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Jul 08 20:44:38 <a930913>	Swob: soap: Why should I be an admin? :/
Jul 08 20:44:57 <Swob>	you dont want to be? OK no problem
Jul 08 20:45:16 <Swob>	i wish people didnt think of adminship as this huge hassle that they have to be dragged through unwillingly though
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Jul 08 20:45:41 <Swob>	its not like there's an alarm clock in my bed that goes off in the middle of the night because AIV is ovweflowing
Jul 08 20:45:51 <TeeTylerToe>	I wish people didn't think of adminship as a tool for them to use, and rather a responsibility for them to carry out
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Jul 08 20:46:07 <Swob>	there's no responsibility, really, at all
Jul 08 20:46:11 <TeeTylerToe>	less "play with your parent's jet ski", and more mow the lawn
Jul 08 20:46:17 <Swob>	any admin can just walk away at any time and have no consequences
Jul 08 20:46:32 <a930913>	TeeTylerToe: The tool I could use, it's the responsibility I doubt.
Jul 08 20:46:37 <Swob>	no work is required
Jul 08 20:46:39 <a930913>	And the politics.
Jul 08 20:46:46 <Swob>	the only thing you cant do is abuse the tools
Jul 08 20:46:52 <TeeTylerToe>	...
Jul 08 20:46:56 <Swob>	but its not like you have to earn the right to keep them by using them appropriately
Jul 08 20:48:29 <a930913>	Swob: People won't let me RfA because I'm >80% tool edit.
Jul 08 20:48:33 <Swob>	if there ever is an activity requirement I'll just quit and get it over with
Jul 08 20:48:45 <Dusti>	I don't think it's necessarily the responsibility that turns people off from being an admin - it's the politics and drama
Jul 08 20:48:59 <Dusti>	And the actual RfA itself
Jul 08 20:49:13 <a930913>	Dusti: The respsonsibility to avoid the politics and drama ;)
Jul 08 20:49:25 <Dusti>	lol
Jul 08 20:49:50 <Swob>	we should give adminship automatically after 3 years to all users with at least one FA to their name
Jul 08 20:50:28 <a930913>	Swob: I've barely written any content :p
Jul 08 20:50:28 <Dusti>	Not so sure about that
Jul 08 20:50:36 <Swob>	I know
Jul 08 20:50:37 <a930913>	I'm a janitor by nature.
Jul 08 20:50:50 <Swob>	Im thinking more of people like Malleus
Jul 08 20:50:54 <Dusti>	You've got users who do more vandal work, AfD work, NPP, etc.
Jul 08 20:51:07 <a930913>	But for some reason, the janitors need degrees here. :p
Jul 08 20:51:08 <Swob>	who says he would refuse adminship, but secretly wants it more t han anything
Jul 08 20:51:47 <Dusti>	Honestly, I'd love to be an admin - but I doubt I'll ever actually get there
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Jul 08 20:51:58 <Swob>	Dusti you should be an admin too
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Jul 08 20:52:20 <Swob>	Wonderfool made it
Jul 08 20:52:27 <Swob>	why not you all as well?
Jul 08 20:52:36 <a930913>	Swob: I tell you who should be an admin. Huon.
Jul 08 20:52:41 <Dusti>	I'm sure they'd bring my my controversial AfD closures.
Jul 08 20:53:36 <Dusti>	Such as this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kate_Garvey_(2nd_nomination)
Jul 08 20:56:14 <Swob>	im pretty sure Huon has been an admin for years
Jul 08 20:56:17 <Swob>	or was that your point?
Jul 08 20:57:15 <Swob>	oh well maybe not
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Jul 08 21:06:56 <TeeTylerToe>	I wonder if there were any good sales on steam over the weekend
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Jul 08 21:07:45 <kylu>	dungeons of dredmor with all the dlc for $10
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Jul 08 21:08:01 <kylu>	if'n you like roguelikes.
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Jul 08 21:09:15 <TeeTylerToe>	I'm saving up for bioshock infinite
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Jul 08 21:10:51 <kylu>	so you're just torturing yourself with the question? :)
Jul 08 21:11:21 <Dusti>	Swob, you still around
Jul 08 21:11:29 <kylu>	there was also torchlight II, but I already have it, so didn't look.
Jul 08 21:13:01 <a930913>	What should I buy in TF2 for premium?
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Jul 08 21:14:17 <Prabash_A>	Hello
Jul 08 21:15:50 <Swob>	hi
Jul 08 21:16:56 <Prabash_A>	Hey swob, what you up to now?
Jul 08 21:17:48 <Swob>	i was reading about mammals
Jul 08 21:18:28 <Prabash_A>	Speaking about animals I just created a stub
Jul 08 21:18:54 <Dusti>	Speaking about animals I have seven
Jul 08 21:19:01 <Prabash_A>	Worst stub ever too
Jul 08 21:19:26 <Prabash_A>	Seven?!?
Jul 08 21:19:38 <Dusti>	Three cats, two dogs, a rabbit and a hamster
Jul 08 21:20:10 <Prabash_A>	Now that's a lot
Jul 08 21:20:16 <Prabash_A>	It would drive me insane
Jul 08 21:20:48 <Dusti>	Sometimes they do lol
Jul 08 21:20:57 <Swob>	which one is genetically closest to you?
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Jul 08 21:21:26 <Prabash_A>	One dairy cat and two tiger oscars, thats all the pets for me
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Jul 08 21:28:19 <Prabash_A>	The worst and cruelest thing a user could do is send an inexperienced user and RFC regarding an ARBCom investigation
Jul 08 21:28:30 <Prabash_A>	*an
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Jul 08 21:31:40 <TeeTylerToe>	or involve them in any way with the drn process
Jul 08 21:32:56 <Swob>	yeah
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Jul 08 21:33:01 <Swob>	to be honest though
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Jul 08 21:33:16 <Swob>	arbcom isnt all robots, the RfC would likely just get declined
Jul 08 21:33:29 <Swob>	and they'd say to the filing "come on, pick on someone your own size"
Jul 08 21:33:51 <Swob>	if the little guy is the one who's attacking though, then it's all fair
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Jul 08 21:34:18 <Swob>	there was some alternative medicine doctor trying to get me off of the dyshidrosis page once
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Jul 08 21:36:22 <kylu>	mine made me give up the hydric acid.
Jul 08 21:37:00 <kylu>	still in withdrawal
Jul 08 21:38:05 <TeeTylerToe>	arbcom are kind of like the prom king and queen
Jul 08 21:39:26 <Dusti>	Swob did you get my PM?
Jul 08 21:39:29 <Swob>	oh no
Jul 08 21:39:34 <Swob>	i forgot to buy dishes
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Jul 08 21:42:42 <Swob>	yeah dusti
Jul 08 21:42:49 <Swob>	sorry, Im not gonna delete the page
Jul 08 21:43:04 <Swob>	actually maybe i should
Jul 08 21:43:14 <Swob>	nah
Jul 08 21:43:29 <Swob>	the template is there, it'll get seen
Jul 08 21:44:10 <TeeTylerToe>	On next week's episode the tribal council will vote on what article to vote off the island and which articles the bachelor editor will give the roses too
Jul 08 21:44:42 <Swob>	the thing is that it's significantly different than the  version that was deleted before
Jul 08 21:44:47 <Swob>	even though it' still pretty close to a vopyvio
Jul 08 21:45:00 <Swob>	the guy is at least making an effort to do something new
Jul 08 21:47:22 <TeeTylerToe>	sometimes it's frustrating when people tag instead of edit
Jul 08 21:48:02 <Swob>	though
Jul 08 21:49:00 <Swob>	I think I'd be in favor of a rule that if a spammer/COI editor isnt responding to any messages, he doesnt have the right to complain about the deletion of his article
Jul 08 21:49:23 <Swob>	even if the article has a chance of passing as notable and non-promotional if fixed up
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Jul 08 21:50:32 <Swob>	yeah sorry
Jul 08 21:50:35 <Swob>	im just gonna delete it now
Jul 08 21:50:41 <Swob>	this guy doesnt care
Jul 08 21:51:22 <Swob>	he probably spent like 30 seconds writing the page
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Jul 08 21:52:49 <Swob>	its probably notable though
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Jul 08 22:05:42 <nikhs>	are shipping piers notable like train stations or do they need press?
Jul 08 22:06:24 <TeeTylerToe>	active ports might be notable
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Jul 08 22:09:30 <Swob>	hi idoh
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Jul 08 22:11:06 <IDoH>	Hey Swob
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Jul 08 22:14:12 <Swob>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stolen_Vehicle
Jul 08 22:14:15 <Swob>	who's this guy?
Jul 08 22:14:22 <Swob>	he seems awfully proactive for someone who's been here 4 days
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Jul 08 22:14:44 <Swob>	he's got all the signs of a sock
Jul 08 22:15:02 <Swob>	he got into an edit war 7 minutes from his first edit
Jul 08 22:15:29 <Swob>	possibly the same as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.109.112.90
Jul 08 22:15:33 <Swob>	maybe he just wanted an account
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Jul 08 22:24:14 <nikhs>	aha, something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Waterfront,_Seattle#Piers_and_buildings is clearly superior to a bunch of little pier articles like SF and NYC have
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Jul 08 22:25:38 <nikhs>	there is actually a surprising amount of reliable source material on any given two digit numbered piers up to at least the 50s
Jul 08 22:26:04 <VonKranke>	Swob: What is a 'sock'
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Jul 08 22:26:12 <VonKranke>	Other than what people wear on their feet
Jul 08 22:27:25 <TeeTylerToe>	sockpuppet
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Jul 08 22:28:25 <VonKranke>	Remind me to never ask "What is [insert ad hom here]"
Jul 08 22:29:01 <IDoH>	VonKranke: Go to en.wikipedia, and search for WP:SOCKPUPPET. You'll probably find what you're looking for.
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Jul 08 22:31:27 <nikhs>	about one in five pier numbers have a commercial concern like http://www.pier14.com/ sucking google juice from more notable piers in other cities
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Jul 08 22:32:42 <nikhs>	er, maybe one in three
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Jul 08 22:32:52 <VonKranke>	Welcome to the world?
Jul 08 22:33:17 <Swob>	Ive only heard of Pier 1
Jul 08 22:33:29 <Swob>	I didnt even know that piers had "numbers"
Jul 08 22:33:52 <nikhs>	I want to plot the google hits on each number and send it in to xkcd
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Jul 08 22:35:13 <VonKranke>	Much luck.
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Jul 08 22:37:24 <nikhs>	wtf http://www.yelp.com/map/pier-27-doddridge
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Jul 08 22:39:45 <Swob>	i just got this nice chocolate that has chili extract in it
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Jul 08 22:42:15 <Swob>	I eat chocolate the smart way
Jul 08 22:42:31 <Swob>	tiny little nibbles only
Jul 08 22:42:38 <Swob>	tastes just as strong, lasts a whole lot longer
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Jul 08 22:47:27 <nikhs>	perhaps the chili extract encourages that?
Jul 08 22:49:03 <Swob>	hmm now that i get more into it, you might be right
Jul 08 22:49:09 <Swob>	it has a weird aftertaste
Jul 08 22:49:22 <Swob>	that only became noticeable after a few minutes
Jul 08 22:49:29 <Swob>	but no, I love spicy foods
Jul 08 22:49:36 <Swob>	its my defense against having other people steal what Ive bought
Jul 08 22:50:36 <Swob>	I just make sure roughly 1 in 4 things I buy is so ridiculously spicy that the trauma of the experience of anyone who tries to eat it scares them off of my food forever
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Jul 08 22:58:28 <nikhs>	wow http://www.pier5law.com/ a whole ecosystem of lawyers devoted to medical marijuana defense on prime bay front property
Jul 08 22:59:40 <Swob>	oh
Jul 08 23:00:23 <Swob>	its San Francisco
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Jul 08 23:05:25 <nikhs>	San Francisco seems to have a relatively full set of numbered piers, where as older port cities and those with concave coastlines seem to have enlarged many of their piers for the supertanker and shipping container era while dropping adjacent numbers
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Jul 08 23:19:33 <Pontocom>	Hellow, Peeplu!
Jul 08 23:20:44 <Swob>	how come you always say that
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Jul 08 23:38:18 <alison>	Wow. It's been ages ... :)
Jul 08 23:38:57 <alison>	 /join #wikipedia-en-revdel
Jul 08 23:39:06 <alison>	Meh! That failed :D
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Jul 08 23:40:55 <Swob>	hi Alison
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Jul 08 23:44:14 <alison>	Hi Soap ^_^
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Jul 08 23:44:53 <Keegan>	It's an alison
Jul 08 23:45:10 <alison>	A wild Alison appears!
Jul 08 23:45:21 <Keegan>	Hiya
Jul 08 23:45:37 *	FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad
Jul 08 23:46:12 <alison>	Hi there! I just jumped on the web client here for some reason, and just managed to get my cloak back on. Dipping a toe in the waters. I think it's been about 4 years since I was on.
Jul 08 23:46:54 <alison>	[20:35] -NickServ- You are now identified for Alison. [20:35] -NickServ- 30 failed logins since last login.
Jul 08 23:47:01 <alison>	Thirty? O.o
Jul 08 23:48:15 <Keegan>	Four years sounds about right.  Welcome back, the place is still here and just as shabby as ever
Jul 08 23:49:06 <Swob>	wait really?
Jul 08 23:49:10 <Swob>	four years???
Jul 08 23:49:11 <Swob>	wow
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Jul 08 23:49:14 <Swob>	welcome back, indeed
Jul 08 23:50:44 <FastLizard4|iPad>	:O
Jul 08 23:51:54 <alison>	Four years. Srsly! I can't believe it myself :p
Jul 08 23:53:49 <a930913>	alison: Not AlisonW?
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Jul 08 23:54:25 <alison>	Nopz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alison
Jul 08 23:55:06 <alison>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlison&diff=563470398&oldid=563223378